Because, for the most part, they don’t exactly align with your witness’s narrative. Read texts from Season 1 Scripts and join the Genius community of scholars to learn the meaning behind the words. I don’t know. Adnan Syed I just want to pause here and talk about this phone booth for a minute. Adnan motioned for Jay to follow him across the front of the building, around to the other side, to the farthest corner of the side parking lot, where Jay saw Hae’s car parked.      This is what I’ll say is that it doesn’t make me think-- to me it doesn’t prove anything except that it’s possible. On the other hand, the call records also undermined what Jay tells the cops about that same trip to Leakin Park. © 2020 TV GUIDE, A RED VENTURES COMPANY.      I don't know – unless Adnan paid Jay a good sum of money, I really don't see Jay helping him. The rant went on. It takes a few minutes. In Jay’s statements, while the particulars shifted, the spine of his story did not. Any pauses even.      No. That’s kinda disheartening. Sarah Koenig Like, no one ever contacted me about anything. Dana Chivvis Twenty-two minutes and two seconds. So you can’t solve this crime for us.      I mean, it seems like, yeah it could be done. There are parts of Jay’s story that make no sense.      Because he, it’s just, I don’t think, I that the the amount of luck you would have to have to make up a story like that and then have the cell phone records corroborate the key points. I don’t know what to say to that. All that, what I just described?      They go out on this day in October and they do fourteen of them. Jay’s memories about this spot are specific. Like maybe you could have been there. Movie rating: 8.3 / 10 (1012) Directed by: Ron Howard. Thats just not a thing that would have happened.      1630 hour means 4:30 p.m. Sunset that day was at 5:05 p.m. so that would make sense. Library. Isn’t that sort of tantamount to saying, I think they were in Lea - I think Jay is telling the truth? Dana Chivvis Sarah Koenig      None at all.      Will confirmed that yes, track started at four, so you had quite a bit of time from the end of school at 2:15. The Washington Post ran a story in June, for instance, with the headline, “Experts Say Law Enforcement’s Use of Cell Phone Records Can Be Inaccurate.” Federal courts in Oregon and Illinois have ruled cell phone evidence inadmissible.      Did he say what they would do there?      So you guys-- huh. Season 1, Episode 8 TV-PG CC HD CC SD.      That day, he said bye to Will, and then-- oh man. October 27, 2011. Sarah Koenig You can listen to the podcast in full here. Sarah Koenig      Isn’t that sort of tantamount to saying, I think they were in Lea - I think Jay is telling the truth? That talk they have? I don’t think we should hold Jay to some crystal clear timeline. Which, Adnan wrote, “took about ten to fifteen minutes.” Episode number; Newest episodes; Available to watch; 1.      You can’t just go to your car and leave.      Objection. TV-G. Subtitles.      Four of them. Sarah Koenig 400’s. Never touched her or her stuff. It was in Arabic, But again, the cell tower it pings isn’t near. I just-- to me, that was always stuck in my mind, was those busses.      Objection And there is a 4:27 call in the log. Sarah Koenig We’re stumped on this one. There is indeed a call to Patrick on the call log.      Detective      --like we weren’t able to do that.      You told them something that was not the truth. his memory is vague, it’s full of I probably would haves. There’s no phone booth there now. Ah! Adnan told Jay he was going to do it, Adnan showed him the body, they buried her in Leakin Park, they ditched her car. So it’s just a really tight-- window of time for this to have taken place. His entire driving day, on January 13. So here we go. That’s the twenty-one minute window in which to commit the, virtually impossible if you consider the following facts, which he then listed. I could keep going here, to the bitter end of the night, but I’m hoping you’ll take my word for it, that the time line has some problems. Dana and I time it out. And they say that must be the call Jay told the cops about. Dana Chivvis But it’s at 3:59 p.m. This was just step one of the State’s timeline. Adnan Syed      They ask the cell phone expert about four of them.      Sarah Koenig Anyway, we head to Patapsco State Park, because Jay is very clear: taped statement number one, taped statement number two, March 18 itinerary. One, it’s the only call in this stretch of time that’s to someone Adnan knew, rather than a friend of Jay’, So the time works for this one. right where Jay says Hae’s car was that day. Episodes (8) Sort by. Watch "Genius" Einstein: Chapter One online. Will      So the towers, the times, and Jay’s story are not matching-- This is beautiful!      Really! Sarah Koenig Sarah Koenig      Adnan and Hae would go there to spend time. You might have seen some recent reports about how cell phone evidence isn’t as reliable as it was once cracked up to be. In the trunk, at this point. Which Jay has.      How long do you think you were the cliff? It just says ‘incoming.’ There’s no phone number attached to incoming calls.      No I understand that. Dana Yes, I told some lies, but I told the truth. Detective At trial, though, even though all these midafternoon calls were identified and accounted for in Jay’s testimony, prosecutors did not point out that the cell towers didn’t match. (sigh) So, according to Adnan, he was with the phone and twice that night, the phone pinged the tower near Leakin Park.      So places like Jenn’s house, the Best Buy, Leakin Park where Hae was buried. Normal to the point where no one would pay attention to it. Because the rest of them, didn’t really help their argument. Sorry. The call. But he couldn’t be 100% sure.      Yeah, actually if you didn’t have a family emergency, you had to run extra. Detective They looked up the blueprints for the store when it was built in 1995, nothing.      Poor performance. It took two days and it was sort of a mess. Adnan Syed Cristina Gutierrez Sarah Koenig must have been more going on than he’s saying. This is a puzzle to me.      Okay, down many rough hewn steps. You can see the river below, some train tracks, hills. They never got the call record from this booth. To be noticeably late like that. It’s their only choice.      Did you make any suggestions? Anyway, I can pick up from Adnan’s letter. How long do you think you were the cliff? from 12:07 until 6:07, that window of time is where Jay’s story doesn’t line up with the cell phone records. Jay has been consistent on those points. But in any case, there is a call to Jenn at 3:21. Detective Jay, like I had a look of puzzlement on my face.      They said some-something like “we know what you and Jay did” or “we talked to Jay”-- and I'm like “Jay? Jay says that when they didn’t find Patrick at home, they switched course and headed up to Forest Park to buy weed. But they’re not basing it on anyone’s testimony. There’s the sign. One story told week by week. The problems arise when you’re trying to say, “I can prove you were at such and such at such and such a time because of the cell tower your phone pinged.” You can’t do that with certainty, because of the way cell towers get activated, and how much territory they cover. Adnan’s track practice starts at four p.m. But that’s not cool though, because now what you’re saying is that you can use the cell phone records when it benefits me… Dana explained it to me. And the timeline he’s giving is not lining up with the times of the cell phone calls. Do the records really corroborate Jay’s story? So what’s this “oh, lets just drive halfway across the county to go to a state park to smoke a blunt?” Just smoke in your car! The manager also said there is no record of a service agreement between Best Buy and any payphone company at that store. It was a new thing. Remember, that’s where Inez Butler-Hendrix says she sees Hae, who had come to grab a snack. It does seem far fetched because there’s no room for any errors. I’m going to try very hard not to bore you right now, but I do want to talk about cell records for a sec, because I want to know whether the State used the call records accurately, and fairly at Adnan’s trial. That doesn’t--” as if we’re going to be surprised every single time but it didn’t-- it doesn’t because it’s not prop--, Before he left the car, he received a phone call, or placed a phone call.      Dana Chivvis Jay To a place known as the cliffs at Patapsco State Park which is a good twenty minute drive from where we are right now. It would be too crazy of a coincidence.” So the cell towers, and the calls and Jay’s story, they way they all meshed, prosecutors argued, was irrefutable.      Will      And then you backed… let me finish In the trunk, at this point. Prosecutor Kevin Urick talks first. Not a one. Okay. Someone Jay would not be calling. Did the prosecution deploy that science fairly?”. ‘I told them the truth, I did not show them a location that was true.’. The guards come by and you’re just done, mid-sentence. It takes Dana and me eleven minutes to get to the Park and Ride from Best Buy. There’s no phone booth there now. We’re timing. He got out of the car and-- So I started it at-- it’s 2:51, and we’re making a right out of the Best Buy parking lot onto Belmont Ave. Counting down the quickest possible imagining of such a thing. etched-in-stone-ness of the phone records, But that’s not cool though, because now what you’re saying is that you can use the cell phone records when it benefits me…. Writer credits: Noah Pink.      Yeah, this just seems absurd. Automated voice      Depends on the quality of the phone. Adnan Syed Jenn testified that, no, Jay would not have called her to find out where Patrick was. Jay This is the route Jay laid out for the cops. Detective At trial, Jay says Adnan gets another call as he was dropping Adnan off at school for track.      Why did you go to the Best Buy parking lot? Sarah Koenig Remember thats the call Adnan gets at Cathy’s when Officer Adcock calls asking if he’s seen Hae. if the state is saying, Adnan Syed is guilty because we have this witness and his story is backed up by cell records, well, what I see is, you have this witness but his story has shifted, rather significantly over time and you have these call records, but I don’t think they’re as iron-clad as you’re making them out to be. Sarah Koenig Sarah Koenig I believe it was his mother.” Adnan and his family say he doesn’t speak Arabic, or Pashto, or Urdu. Jay Voice over school PA      Yeah. Normal to the point where no one would pay attention to it. Keep track of your favorite shows and movies, across all your devices. Will She took him around to various locations connected to Jay’s story. This call is incredibly important and I will talk more about it in another episode, I swear. Jay couldn’t possibly have known which towers were getting pinged when.      So we are headed to the Patapsco State Park right now. Download to watch offline and even view it on a big screen using Chromecast. We weren’t able to debunk their timeline-- Movie details. I’m at Best Buy.” You can see it on the call log. We figure Hae gets in her car quickly. Consistently, he tells Jennifer a consistent story, he tells police a consistent story about the defendant, he tells consistently the defendant’s involvement, the defendant’s actions on that day. Will In the March 18 itinerary, there’s a note about the Nisha call. Sarah Koenig They ask the cell phone expert about four of them.      Jay Sarah Koenig Meaning, if Adnan did it, he was taking Ja'uan back to the exact spot where he killed Hae. And, it puts Jay and Adnan together in the middle of the afternoon, when Adnan says he was not with Jay, he was back at school. Sarah Koenig It’s just whenever it’s true of what the prosecutor is saying, it’s like, you know the the phone’s a tablet, whenever something I’m saying is like the Holy Grail, ‘oh we don’t know where it is,’ ‘we’re not sure,’ ‘does it really exist’ floats away. There are key moments, when they do support his version of that night. Done and done. Cristina Gutierrez I understand that.      One, two, three, four, five.      I wish I could, oh my goodness! told me to pop the trunk. And they both said “yes, the way the science is explained in here is right.” And the way that the State’s expert, a guy named Abraham Waranowitz tested these cell sites, by just going around to different spots and dialing a number, and noting the tower it pinged, that’s legit. Dana Chivvis Detective      Nobody’s going to be over there. It’s just not there. But here’s what’s also the truth, you can say the same thing about Adnan’s story too.      He said that him and Hae used to go there to spend time together. could they have been someplace else besides digging a grave in the actual park? There are definitely cars and people near enough to make this seem like a very, very risky move. emember sometimes we would have to wait in that parking lot, for t, o, I don’t know.      Sarah Koenig Genius subtitles Episode list and air dates.      I’m going to run in, keep timing. It would be too crazy of a coincidence.” So the cell towers, and the calls and Jay’s story, they way they all meshed, prosecutors argued, was irrefutable. I have to think he included it for good reason. So that’s giving the State the benefit of the doubt, right? Which Jay has. But it seems far fetched. If I’m Adnan and I need to be seen for track, I’m freaking out right now, that I need to get back for track to have an alibi. Genius (Season 1 Episode 9) Full Episode … But lets assume it did exist that day. Ira Glass Maybe that’s the one.      Yeah that is the golf course, okay. If she’s really hustling, maybe she can get to her car in say two minutes? Sarah Koenig I don’t know what to say, I just always thought in my mind that--      Um-hmm, okay. Twice as long as, in other words, than the call log accounts for. Sarah Koenig The moving of the body. Then we wait a couple minutes to account for Adnan’s movements. Driving out of the park, talking to Dana, I was turning this over, Plus-- it’s like trying to-- I’m trying to think of an analogy of what the uselessness of what we’re trying to do by recreating something that doesn’t fit, it’s like a-- like, trying to plot the coordinates of someone’s dream or something where it’s just like “but wait! At trial, Adnan’s lawyer brings up this phone booth when she’s trying to attack Jay’s credibility. Episodes Related Details. Jay They all have to happen as quickly as they possibly can for the 2:36 call to work. We do indeed have to wait for the bus loop to clear.      Four of them. It just seems like there had to be other places you could have pulled over for a quick smoke, if indeed that’s what needed to happen. Never touched her or her stuff.      Alright, so lets see if we can recreate what Jay says happened that day. If you guys said you did it, then you did it, but I don’t know. About four of them, “ took about ten to fifteen minutes... 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